Rotating Projectiles

[rhysm_08]

I've been pulling my hair at a recent problem i have created, rotating projectiles. I have been wanting to do a nice "Thowing Knife". Added a force object, but found that constant force works, but there is not "rotational-constant force". I managed to make the projectile, slowed it down so i can tinker it (quite eerie, heaps of knifes moving very slowly at a constant speed). But could only get it to curve like "bullet-drop". Anybody no of a solution to making a nice rotating knife effect?

[Chael]

Err... unless I'm missing something, couldn't you just use a rotational bundle? I did this before with CD projectiles: just make a projectile with no geometry, addTemplate a rotBundle, then addTemplate a knife mesh (no cols) to that. Then if you want your knife to stick to walls and stuff (no moving objects) you could create a material effect that creates a static particle of a knife on impact. Hope this is what you meant.

[rhysm_08]

Hmm i have tried that, but (at least in bfeditor), it doesn't spin (using continous rotation speed), please explain about the materials, don't know much about that, thanks.

Basically this is how it should work:

"Fire" the knife.

Knife projectile comes out spinning vertically, hits player, kills them.

If it hits a wall then it sticks.

Doesn't work ingame either, just tested - unrotating...

Knife part of it

ObjectTemplate.create GenericProjectile kni_knife_Projectile
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser "Rhys"
ObjectTemplate.createNotInGrid 1
ObjectTemplate.createdInEditor 1
rem ---BeginComp:DefaultCollisionComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultCollisionComp
ObjectTemplate.collision.hasCollisionEffect 1
ObjectTemplate.collision.bouncing 1
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp:DefaultDetonationComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultDetonationComp
ObjectTemplate.detonation.detectionRadius 1.5
ObjectTemplate.detonation.maxDepthForExplosion 2
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp:DefaultProjSoundComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultProjSoundComp
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp:DefaultPenetrateComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultPenetrateComp
ObjectTemplate.penetrate.allowSolidPenetration 0
rem ---EndComp ---
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.physicsType Point
ObjectTemplate.collisionGroups 8
ObjectTemplate.material 48
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate S_kni_knife_Projectile_Looping
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate kni_knife_Spin
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.timeToLive CRD_NONE/90/0/0
ObjectTemplate.material 48
ObjectTemplate.hasOnTimeEffect 1
ObjectTemplate.damage 30

Rotate part

ObjectTemplate.create RotationalBundle kni_knife_Spin
ObjectTemplate.creator Unknown
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser Unknown
ObjectTemplate.setNetworkableInfo BasicInfo
ObjectTemplate.geometry KNI_Knife
ObjectTemplate.physicsType Mesh
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 0
ObjectTemplate.gravityModifier 0.5
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate S_kni_knife_Spin_RotationRpm
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.setMinRotation 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setMaxRotation 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setMaxSpeed 0/900/0
ObjectTemplate.setContinousRotationSpeed 0/900/0

ObjectTemplate.activeSafe Sound S_kni_knife_Spin_RotationRpm
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser Unknown

Edited November 21, 2010 by rhysm_08

[Chael]

Let's see... Mine looks like this:

ObjectTemplate.create RotationalBundle cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_rotation
ObjectTemplate.activeSafe RotationalBundle cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_rotation
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser Chael
ObjectTemplate.setNetworkableInfo BasicInfo
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 1
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate AOL_CD_07_ver6_goldLions
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.setMaxSpeed 1/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setContinousRotationSpeed 200/0/0

Try addTemplating a dummy knife object to your rotBundle (You can see I addTemplated 'AOL_CD_07_ver6_goldLions'). If all else fails, just copy the one I posted; It works.

Oh, about the material thing: what I mean is that you want to create an effect that spawns a knife particle on impact with things like walls, ground, etc. You can make it static so it'll stay wherever the knife hits. For impacts with vehicles/moving objects you could use a knife particle that has physics, so when you throw one at a car it will bounce off instead of floating in midair after the car moves.

You have to set up the material effect in MaterialManagerSettings.con. Just set up some materials like this:

MaterialManager.createCell <knife material #> <wall material #>

MaterialManager.setEffectTemplate 0 <static knife effect>

Edited November 21, 2010 by Chael

[rhysm_08]

Ah sounds cool, btw what is "AOL_CD_07_ver6_goldLions?" is it a projectile?

[Chael]

Isn't it obvious? It's an AOL 6.0 Gold CDROM with lions on it It's just a bundledMesh.

[UberWazuSoldier]

And that worked on a projectile?

[Chael]

Sure, why wouldn't it?

[rhysm_08]

I'm finding it hard to get it working at all, please post your code for that weapon. I'm guessing the soldier throws the cd on the X axis

[Chael]

Okay, here's the code for the projectile:

.con

ObjectTemplate.create GenericProjectile cameraBullet_AOL_Canada
ObjectTemplate.saveInSeparateFile 1
ObjectTemplate.creator Chael
rem ObjectTemplate.collisionMesh AOL_CD_01_Canada
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 0 metal 0
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.physicsType 3
rem ObjectTemplate.geometry AOL_CD_01_Canada

include cameraBullet_AOL_Canada.tweak

.tweak

rem *** Generated with Bf2Editor.exe [created: 2006/5/15 11:52]
GeometryTemplate.compressVertexData 1
GeometryTemplate.maxTextureRepeat 16
ObjectTemplate.activeSafe GenericProjectile cameraBullet_AOL_Canada
ObjectTemplate.creator Chael
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser "Chael"
ObjectTemplate.setNetworkableInfo BasicInfo
ObjectTemplate.saveInSeparateFile 1
ObjectTemplate.createNotInGrid 1


rem ---BeginComp:DefaultCollisionComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultCollisionComp
ObjectTemplate.collision.hasCollisionEffect 1
rem ObjectTemplate.collision.bouncing 1
rem ---EndComp ---

rem ---BeginComp:DefaultDetonationComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultDetonationComp
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionMaterial 0
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionRadius 0
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionForce 0
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionDamage 0
ObjectTemplate.detonation.detonateDistanceToTarget 1
rem ObjectTemplate.detonation.endEffectTemplate e_exp_Xlarge
ObjectTemplate.detonation.useMMOnEndEffect 1
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp:DefaultProjSoundComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultProjSoundComp
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ---BeginComp:DefaultPenetrateComp ---
ObjectTemplate.createComponent DefaultPenetrateComp
ObjectTemplate.penetrate.allowSolidPenetration 1
ObjectTemplate.penetrate.allowLiquidPenetration 1
rem ---EndComp ---
rem ObjectTemplate.geometry AOL_CD_01_Canada
rem ObjectTemplate.setCollisionMesh AOL_CD_01_Canada
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 0 metal 31
ObjectTemplate.drag 0
ObjectTemplate.mass 20
ObjectTemplate.gravityModifier 0.05
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.physicsType Point
ObjectTemplate.collisionGroups 8
ObjectTemplate.material 39
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate S_cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_Looping
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_rotation
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_Camera
ObjectTemplate.setPosition 0/0.05/-0.2
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.timeToLive CRD_NONE/33/0/0
ObjectTemplate.material 39
ObjectTemplate.hasOnTimeEffect 1
ObjectTemplate.minDamage 190
ObjectTemplate.damage 190
rem ObjectTemplate.acceleration 115
rem ObjectTemplate.maxSpeed 95
ObjectTemplate.useProjectileCamera 1

ObjectTemplate.activeSafe Sound S_cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_Looping
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser "Chael"

ObjectTemplate.create Camera cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_Camera
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser "Chael"
ObjectTemplate.createdInEditor 1
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 0
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate S_cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_Camera_RotationRpm
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.setMinRotation 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setMaxRotation 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setPivotPosition 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setMaxSpeed 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setAcceleration 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.CameraId 5

ObjectTemplate.CVMInside 1
ObjectTemplate.CVMFlyBy 1
ObjectTemplate.CVMChase 1
ObjectTemplate.CVMFrontChase 1
ObjectTemplate.CVMNose 1
ObjectTemplate.CVMTrace 1
ObjectTemplate.CVMExternTrace 1

ObjectTemplate.followStiffness 3
ObjectTemplate.chaseDistance 5
ObjectTemplate.chaseAngle 20.5
ObjectTemplate.chaseOffset 0/0/0
ObjectTemplate.worldFOV 1.2
ObjectTemplate.insideFOV 1.2
ObjectTemplate.worldFOV 1.2
ObjectTemplate.insideFOV 1.2
ObjectTemplate.allowInsideDynamicLights 1
ObjectTemplate.allowInsideStaticSun 0
ObjectTemplate.insideStaticSunDirection -0.25/-0.5/0.75
ObjectTemplate.insideStaticSunColor 1/1/1
ObjectTemplate.insideStaticSunDamageColor 1/0/0
ObjectTemplate.insideDamageFrequency 3
ObjectTemplate.insideDamageThreshold 0.15
ObjectTemplate.insideStaticSunAmbientColor 0.7/0.7/0.7

ObjectTemplate.activeSafe Sound S_cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_Camera_RotationRpm
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser "Chael"

ObjectTemplate.create RotationalBundle cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_rotation
ObjectTemplate.activeSafe RotationalBundle cameraBullet_AOL_Canada_rotation
ObjectTemplate.modifiedByUser Chael
ObjectTemplate.setNetworkableInfo BasicInfo
ObjectTemplate.floaterMod 0
ObjectTemplate.hasMobilePhysics 1
ObjectTemplate.hasCollisionPhysics 1
rem -------------------------------------
rem "ADD THE OBJECT YOU WANT TO SPIN HERE"
ObjectTemplate.addTemplate aol_cd_01_canada
rem ObjectTemplate.addTemplate aol_cd_02
rem ObjectTemplate.addTemplate aol_cd_03_ver5_brownBlack
rem ObjectTemplate.addTemplate aol_cd_04_ver7_blueYellow
rem ObjectTemplate.addTemplate AOL_CD_05_ver6_yellowBlue
rem ObjectTemplate.addTemplate AOL_CD_06_ver7_bluePlatinum
rem ObjectTemplate.addTemplate AOL_CD_07_ver6_goldLions
rem -------------------------------------
ObjectTemplate.setMaxSpeed 1/0/0
ObjectTemplate.setContinousRotationSpeed 200/0/0

I didn't really create a weapon for this, I just added the projectile to the .50cal. If you want to use the above code with a hand weapon, you'll want to remove the projectile camera (pretty useful for when you need to see it spin though).

Hope this is what you need.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Chael

[UberWazuSoldier]

Wow, that's a lot more simple than I had thought haha. The reason I was incredulous was that most objects don't work on Projectiles; ForceObjects for example.

[Apache Thunder]

If all else fails you can animate the knife by exporting it as a skinnedMesh and adding an animation to it. I have a couple mario kart stuff I'm adding to a mod and have already got an animated unfolding banana to work as a projectile. (the animated geometry must however be a animatedBundle that is a child object of the projectile). You can the completely rem out the geometry line so the projectile it self has no visible mesh and relies on your animated sub object. Collision is of coarse handled by the projectile.

Edited November 25, 2010 by Apache Thunder

[mschoeldgen[Xww2]]

@Chael: I like the AOL bit,hehehe.

If everything else fails you could also use a TorpedoEngine (Those start by themselves ) and add the knife geometry as rotor. Only keep in mind to give the parent (dummy) geometry a set of collisionmeshes. I also remember having made a rotating magazine on an LMG started by pressing the fire button.

[rhysm_08]

Haha i love all these ingenious solutions! Will post results.